Jul 9 / Todd

Q&A with Wettest County in the World author and JMU alum Matt Bondurant

This post really speLawless Posteraksfor itself, but we’re very excited to present JMUSB’s first “long read.”  At least the first one that’s really worth printing out and taking with you to lunch or the can.  After all, it’s All Star week in baseball and there’s not squat else going on right now.  JMU won’t even release gametimes for football.  Fellow Duke Matt Bondurant has gone on to a successful writing career.  His second book, The Wettest County in the World, is based on his actual grandfather and his involvement, along with his brothers, in the moonshine business in Franklin County, Virginia during Prohibition.  The book has been turned into a movie coming out next month called “Lawless” (IMBD Link with trailers) and featuring a serious cast of Hollywood heavyweights – Tom Hardy, Jessica Chastain, Guy Pearce, Shia LeBoeuf, Mia Wasikowski, and Gary Oldman.  Screenplay written by all-around badass Nick Cave.  Needless to say, this isn’t your average JMU story.  The book is great, and we can’t encourage you enough to read it before the movie and to check out Matt’s newest book, The Night Swimmer.  Lastly, a huge thanks to Matt for taking the time!

You went to JMU for both undergrad and your masters. How did your experiences at JMU (in and out of the classroom) help you develop as a writer? Did you have any particular professors that made a significant impact on your developmentas a writer?

I took classes from many excellent professors at JMU.  At least I think I did.  In truth, I just wasn’t what you would call attentive.  Of course there are exceptions, and it is to these moments and the professors who facilitated them that I likely owe much of the life I have now.  Here are two, from my undergraduate career that affected me in very different ways.

The first was during a Survey of Poetry course in my junior year.  At least I think it was a survey of poetry, all I know is we were reading a lot of poems, using that fat Norton Anthology of poetry.  We were in one of those small, sharply raked classroom in Keezel Hall that always felt like a block of stadium seats in an elevator shaft.  The instructor was a kindly, soft-hearted woman, middle-aged, prone to wearing loose cotton tunics, carved amulets on leather thongs around her neck, Stevie Nicks hairstyle.  I think she was an adjunct or part-time, the teacher who is listed on the class schedules as “staff.”  I do not remember this woman’s name, which is a shameful thing.  She liked to stand at the small podium and read poems to us, often with great earnestness and emotion.  On this day she was reading us some Sylvia Plath – that great pied piper of the college aged wandering soul – and as she read one poem, I do not remember which, probably “Daddy,” her voice began to crack and she reached that neat intersection of an emotive reading and full-on weeping, which in the reading of a poem can be so wonderfully devastating.  And on this day, for the first time, I remember suddenly being struck with the thought: Wait, what is it that she is feeling there?  What is happening to her?  Why don’t I feel that way when I read it?  Why can’t I?  And then, wait, I want to feel that way, I want to know what that feels like.

And from that moment on it wasn’t just pretty words and good stories anymore.  Things got suddenly serious in my world.  Endless afternoons of beer and volleyball and the tantalizing prospect of throwing someone into the lake began to seem…trivial.

Then in my senior year I took a Major Author course from Dr. Jean Cash.  Edgar Allen Poe.  Again, almost on a whim – I think it just fit into my schedule, didn’t cut into my volleyball time or something – but it turned out to be one of the most vital course in my college career.  Of course Dr. Cash was wonderful, navigating us through Poe like a steamship captain, and by midterm I was convinced that he was the greatest writer America ever produced.  For our major paper I wrote on Poe’s Mss. Found in a Bottle.  I forget what my angle was, but I loved that story and enjoyed writing about it.  On the day Dr. Cash was to pass our papers back, she announced that she was going to read my paper aloud to the class, so that everyone could hear what an excellent paper sounds like.

Nothing like that had happened to me before, and the confidence that experience gave me made it possible for me to even consider a life as an academic and writer.  Previously academics, my professors, seemed like rare birds raised in darkened, silk lined rooms and fed pomegranate seeds with long precise tweezers by bearded men in black gowns.  They weren’t real people.  Of course I came to find out later that they were, or at least mostly, but at this moment I began to consider that maybe I might be like them, whatever they were, that perhaps I could do what they do.

I did take a poetry workshop and a fiction workshop as an undergrad.  The Poetry workshop was unremarkable to me, save the fact that I remember writing some horrible sonnets about girls I was infatuated with, some of whom were in the class, and that the professor died at the end of the semester when his mattress caught fire one night while he was sleeping.  The rumor was that he was drunk and smoking in bed.  Poets.

And about my first and only undergraduate fiction workshop, I remember almost nothing, except that I wrote a ridiculous story about a evil serial killer who never actually did anything except sit on a iron bench by the beach, leering at people in his three piece suit.  And that the class was taught by a very quiet woman in blue jeans with sad eyes who sat behind a desk.  The only thing I remember her saying is one day she wanted to talk about strategies to help us write, and asked us if we had any thoughts on the matter.  Of course we were silent.  After a while she offered this: “I like to drink a lot of coffee.”  That is the only thing that stuck with me.

I guess in undergraduate I did begin to contemplate the possibility of being a writer.    Because for the last two years in undergrad I thought I was a poet.  Oh yes, a poet.  I was the guy who lured girls up to his room in the fraternity house to read them poems I had written, Morrissey wailing in the background, a few candles flickering.  I would sleep in the woods at night, drunk out of my mind, clutching a copy of Leaves of Grass.  I memorized some Byron, hoping for that opportunity that never came.  While working in a restaurant in Ocean City, Maryland one summer I used to lug an old manual typewriter out to the deserted beach at night, perch on the lifeguard stand and hack away at terribly sincere odes to the moon, the ocean, and to all the girls that I fell in love with but who never knew I was alive.  I watched firelight, sunrises, and small birds with a serious turn of mind.

Of course it was all horrible, and after messing around a few years after college I was rejected by every MFA program I applied to.  I was working at the Associated Press in DC at the time, not a bad job but I was desperate to get back into school, to read more books, take more classes, be surrounded by people like all of you.  I was spending my lunch hours in a bookstore on 19th and K street reading the collected works of Langston Hughes, dog-earing the pages so I could find my place the next day.  I found myself coming home from work so exhausted that all I wanted to do was eat dinner and do something mindless like watch TV, which is what nearly everybody else in the world does, by the way.  The world outside of the university can be strange and cruel for the English major, in more ways than you think.

So I applied to my alma mater, for an MA in English.  Surely, they would have me.  I remember that Dr. Hoskins kindly agreed to write me a recommendation, he who taught me to appreciate movie musicals, westerns, Fellini, Wings of Desire.  Somehow, with my mediocre grades and test scores, they let me come back.

So began the second part of my life at JMU.  This was the best thing that ever happened to me because in graduate school I re-read all those important books and actually got something from them.  And I met some serious, intelligent people who knew a lot more about books than me, and this time I actually paid attention.  My graduate school experiences were formed by the small, enthusiastic, and essentially romantic group of peers, and by a handful of professors, but if there was a star around which we grad students orbited, some powerful mass that put off a gravity that was hard to escape, it was Dr. Mark Facknitz.   I took several courses from Mark, including the History of Literary Theory, an extremely difficult course, Literature of the Great War, and perhaps most importantly my first graduate level fiction workshop, only the second one I had taken up to that point.

But I remember many things about Mark Facknitz’ class.  Ashe was in all of his classes, he was tough, delivering skillful critiques always couched in sound and reasonable discussion of narrative craft.  He also required us to read a lot, something that I do as well. He introduced me to a lot of writers, but none more important than John Cheever.

Editor’s Note: Dr. Cash was my favorite teacher at JMU as well and I was thrilled to hear Matt’s comments.  After graduation, I once called her slightly intoxicated from the beach to read her a passage from Stephen King’s “On Writing” in which he says “the road to hell is paved with adverbs.”  Dr. Cash used to berate me for words ending in “ly.”  Secondly, I’m amazed at Matt’s ability, well really anyone’s ability, to handle Dr. Facknitz’ Literary Theory or Literary Criticism courses.  Mistakenly signed up for it junior year, dropped out after two weeks because I had no idea what was going on, but vowed I would take it again my last semester.  Still had no idea what was going on and I think he only gave me a C- so I could graduate and wouldn’t retake any of his courses.

The Wettest County in the World is unique because it’s a novel based on a true story and the main characters were your relatives. What made you want to tell your grandfather’s story and how much of it were you aware of before you began researching and developing the book?

When I was young, a few times a year my family would make the drive down to Snow Creek, four hours from Alexandria, to visit my grandparents.  My father’s brothers and sisters all lived in the area as well, so the gatherings usually bloomed into full scale Bondurant family reunions each time we came to visit; all the uncles, aunts, cousins, and others crowding into my grandfathers old farmhouse for giant breakfasts and long, slow talks before the woodstove in which very little was ever actually said.  I spent most of the time wrestling in hay-filled barns with my giant cousins, riding tractors in the early morning along muddy creek beds, and grabbing electric cattle fences because they dared me to.  My grandfather died in his late eighties; he had just bought a new truck the day before and was building a new house.

I have many important memories of my time there, and of my grandfather; his quiet, hawk-like face, early rides in the pickup to feed the cattle, the staggering stoicism of this man.  I also remembered the back utility room where he had a gun rack up on the wall.  This wasn’t so unusual; in those days in Franklin County shotguns and rifles hung from nearly any flat surface, and in many houses they still do.  What struck me about this particular gun rack was the pair of rusty brass knuckles hanging from a nail just below the gun rack.  As a young boy the idea of a man putting on the heavy, metal implement, purely designed to crush another man’s face, was a thrilling prospect and I spent long periods of time gazing at those brass knuckles.  To me they represented something remarkably primal, hanging there below the guns, as if to say: if you are still alive when I run out of bullets I will pull this hunk of metal off the wall and pummel you into unconsciousness.  Back at the dinner table my grandfather’s heavy, placid face would take on a whole new light.  I was terrified of him and fascinated about the life he had led.

I didn’t know of his true past and involvement in the events of the early 1930’s until much later, just a few years before his death.  My father didn’t even know he had been shot until a few years before my grandfather’s death, when as part of his genealogical research he came across a series of newspaper articles documenting the events at Maggodee Creek in December of 1930.  When asked about the shooting my grandfather merely said: oh yeah, shot me through here, and raised his shirt to show my father the entry wound under his arm.  Not much more was said about it after that, which is the way my father’s family communicated about such things.  This was almost twenty years ago, and it is fair to say I’ve been working on the novel ever since.

 Reviews for the book compared you to Cormac McCarthy and William Faulkner. There were also parts of the book (the still built inside the house) that reminded us of Mark Twain. Who are your favorite authors to read? Which authors do you think have had the biggest influence on you as a writer?

High praise, indeed.  But realistically I don’t belong in the same sentence as those two.  I love McCarthy, particularly the early work up to and culminating with Blood Meridian, and I have done my time with Faulkner.  Clearly I think Sherwood Anderson is an unacknowledged genius of American prose.  Melville and Moby Dick remains central to all that I do, and my last novel, The Night Swimmer, is essentially an homage to John Cheever and Melville.

I have had two pictures above my writing desk since 1995: John Cheever and F.S. Fitzgerald.  They are my prose style idols.  I don’t really write like them at all, but I always want to.  In the pictures they are both wearing tweed jackets and uncomfortable expressions.

Do you draw inspiration from other artists other than authors? We swear you must have been listening to tons of Drive By Truckers when writing the Wettest County in the World for instance.

Absolutely.  And I love the Drive By Truckers.  I listened to a lot of period-specific music when doing Wettest County, such as The Carter Family, and plenty of bluegrass and old-time country.  Music is a huge inspiration and I always work with a set of large headphones on, which my wife hates.

 Your book is being developed into a movie that already is generating a lot of buzz. What is like to turn over your own work to a screenwriter, director, and actors so that they can develop their own interpretation of it? Have you had any influence or input into the screenplay or other elements of the movie?  And on a lighter note, are you going to get to go to any premieres, film festivals, awards, etc?

When you sell the film rights to your book you never really think it is going to get made, so it wasn’t much of a deal back then.  Even after they wrote a script I didn’t think it would really happen.  It wasn’t until the project started shooting that I had to consider the implications, and in the face of such generous good luck there is little to ponder.  I do consider it a work of art separate from my book, and try to view it as objectively as possible, which is difficult.  I’m extremely fortunate that such talented and kindly people made it, and they kept me involved every step of the way, even though they were not contractually obligated to.  But they are contractually obligated to bring me to the premiere event, so we’ll see how that goes.

 Finally, since this is a JMU blog, we need to ask a couple quick JMU related questions.

Favorite JMU area watering hole?

Well, back in my day there really was only a couple of options.  JM’s took a bunch of my money.  I sort of favored what was the little Greek place then called Gus’s Taverna, which I think became Dave’s, and I’m not sure what it is now.  Pitchers were crazy cheap. The Little Grill is legendary for good reason and I saw a lot of crappy poetry readings (and participated in some) there and loved every minute of it.  I worked at The Artful Dodger for three years, which back then was the only coffee shop around so all the freaks hung out there. Loved it.

Best JMU memory?

Streaking the quad, of course.  By the way, the quad is really, really long.  Especially when about five hundred people show up to watch you do it.  I was with a group of guys and the last hundred yards we were gassed and just walked.  I was the only dude who didn’t have a mask (I was a late entry) and we all piled into a van on Main Street, which is a whole other set of homoerotic subtext to deal with.

Ever been back to JMU since you graduated (you wouldn’t believe the stadium/tailgate scene)?

I was there a few months ago to speak at the Sigma Tau Delta conference.  Not during football season, but I did spend the evening downtown and was amazed at all the nightlife offerings.  How many fucking roof-top decks do they have now?  I was in a basement bar like a cave playing cool music surrounded by 20-30-something hipsters.  Since when does Harrisonburg have 30-something hipsters?

Favorite on-campus eatery?

In my day D-Hall was legendary for good food.  And it was.  I think now that kind of quality is normal on campuses, but in the early 90’s the offerings at D-Hall were solid.  PC Dukes had a decent pizza.

 Thing you miss most about your time at JMU?

Sand court volleyball nearly every day.  Loads of leisure time (I wasn’t a “strong student”).  The valley, in every season.  Having a still unformed set of aesthetic principles.  Mennonites.

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  1. Ryan Dennis / Jul 9 2012

    Great post guys!! Good luck to Matt with the books and movie! Go Dukes!

  2. tedward / Jul 9 2012

    Great post.

  3. Farmer Neil / Jul 9 2012

    Read the book about a month ago after seeing the Washington Post article about Matt and the movie. Loved it and couldn’t put it down. Can’t wait to see the movie. I’m glad that you were able to do a Q&A with Matt but I find it funny that his answer to “The Wettest County in the World is unique because it’s a novel based on a true story and the main characters were your relatives. What made you want to tell your grandfather’s story and how much of it were you aware of before you began researching and developing the book?” was word-for-word the Author’s Note from the book. Love the blog and look forward to participating in the comments more often.

  4. Uncle Ron / Jul 9 2012

    Excellent post! As a former JMU English major, this really hit home for me – especially the references to Dr. Cash, Keezel Hall, and Norton Anthologies. I actually met the real Uncle Ron my first weekend at JMU freshman year. He asked me my major and, when I told him English, replied “Ahh….going to write the Great American Novel?” It seemed like a possibility at the time, but I wound up one of the guys who comes home exhausted from my day job every night. Oddly, I’m reading a novel by another JMU alum right now but will dig into Mr. Bondurant’s catalog as soon as I’m done. For the record, I share his fondness for Gus’ Taverna, but have to defer to Ralph Cohen as my favorite professor. Best blog post since the Mike’s Chevron nostalgia piece. If you guys aren’t careful, you’re going to wind up as real interwebs quasi-journalists!

  5. Zach / Jul 21 2012

    This was an amazing post. I felt like I was grabbing a beer with old friends. I’m also a former English major. Dr. Cash was my mentor, and Dr. Facknitz’ class was a mind bender. I absolutely loved it. I actually picked up The Wettest County a few months ago but got distracted. I had no clue it was written by a JMU alum. I can’t wait to revisit it. Plus, to top it off, you mentioned one of my favorite bands, the Drive-By Truckers.

    It’s great to see a fellow JMU English alum doing big things. Congrats!

  6. Rob / Jul 24 2012

    Glad you enjoyed it Zach. We were really excited Matt agreed to do the Q&A and have been pleased that so many people seemed to appreciate it.

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